I see a lot of young-ish fans on Tumblr being uncomfortable with the idea of “old people” still being in fandom. Even episode 17 of One True Podcast, “Stomping On Each Other’s Lawns – Generational Divides in Fandom”, which was trying to have people from both sides of “the generation gap” actually had fans in their early 20s and late 20s and referred to the fact that there were even some people in their 40s and 50s kicking around tumblr–acknowledging older fans while implicitly claiming they’re much rarer than in reality.
There are plenty of very young people on tumblr. There are plenty of not-so-young people on tumblr. It’s quite a spread.
AO3 was proposed in 2007, almost a decade ago. The people who jumped on board to help build it initially were not primarily students. We were mostly adults with careers already; that’s what gave us the skills to take on a major project like that. A decade later, I am in my mid-30′s. Some are younger; many are much older.
There was that silly wank a while back about the X-Files supposedly being for teens the same way Buffy was marketed for younger people… only The X-Files was blatantly marketed for an adult demographic back in 1993 when it premiered. Twenty-something plus twenty-three years equals a fanbase in its late 40s. The venerable X-Files archive, Gossamer, was started by people who are now officially Old. Same with Fanfiction.net, MediaMiner, and all of the other great fandom infrastructure we’ve known and loved.
I hate that “The kids these days” shit. Young people are just as welcome in fandom as anyone else.
But I wish you guys wouldn’t sell yourselves short by thinking that you have to be ready to build AO3 when you’re a teenager and that you’re passé and must abandon all of your hobbies by 30.
Mainstream media is already going to tell you that adult women are required to take care of other people’s children instead of taking care of ourselves. Culture is already going to tell you that old women can’t have fun or seek pleasure, that women in general are suspect and can’t be trusted to read “problematic” books without being brainwashed.
Fandom is here to tell you that other people’s kids can be your friends if you both choose it, but you’re nobody’s free therapist, nanny, or censorship board. Fandom is here to tell you that you can backbutton when you want, but you can also read what you want, even if it’s “bad”. Fandom is here to tell you that you can enjoy your hobbies for the next however many decades until they carry you out feet-first.
@#%^! ageism.
I didn’t join Tumblr to ‘fit in with the kids,’ I joined because I saw some of my favourite longtime interests being discussed and shared here, finding new life here. In turn, I found newer things, closely related to those interests. I enjoy being able to relate to a new generation through shared interests, fandoms, humour, etc. The autism community, in particular, has really come of age here and is so very welcome after too many years of zero connection in the wider world.
It is also one of the few places we can leave something of ourselves behind. So long as it is allowed to last, this is a place, like all the blog spots and social media sites, of public memory. What you leave here might last. Might delight or influence someone else. Might educate them. Might irritate the hell out of them. Right now, this very moment, you are adding to a time capsule.
Take it from Whitman (he would have Tumbled):
Oh me! Oh life! of the questions of these recurring, Of the endless trains of the faithless, of cities fill’d with the foolish, Of myself forever reproaching myself, (for who more foolish than I, and who more faithless?) Of eyes that vainly crave the light, of the objects mean, of the struggle ever renew’d, Of the poor results of all, of the plodding and sordid crowds I see around me, Of the empty and useless years of the rest, with the rest me intertwined, The question, O me! so sad, recurring—What good amid these, O me, O life?
Answer. That you are here—that life exists and identity, That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse.
This came up on my facebook feed and I am so excited to see how generation Xers and Baby Boomers will find a way to use this to shit on millenials anyways
nice okay we’re off to a good start
oh boy do i have something to tell you about millennials, working, and debt that’s gonna absolutely blow your socks off
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Why old people so mad.
It’s funny because millennials can pretty much multitask like it’s second nature simply because it’s necessary to keep up with society, while baby boomers whine about reading subtitles and can’t seem to program anything more complicated than a VCR.
But sure, ok, the kids are lazy and have entitlement complexes
Older Generations: -Make comics about kids not knowing how books work-
Millenials: -Read more books than anyone else-
Older Generations: …no we changed our minds reading a lot is lazy and entitled now
“laughfulable”
“no we changed our minds reading a lot is lazy and entitled now”
You know, my dad is a Boomer. And he says to me, “It was easy. There were good jobs everywhere.” He’s not under the impression that he “built” the economy of his youth with his character and willpower. It’s real nice.
Headline: fake news found on Facebook misinforms several generations, allows all to mock the other without thought and ageism continues, unabated, without anyone bothering to investigate the source or whether the story has any truth to it.
This is how you divide and conquer a society over time.
do older generations not get fatalistic humor?? like the other day my friend’s parents were hanging around and we were joking and i was like “well no matter what i can always fling myself off the nearest cliff” and they didn’t laugh then later the mom pulled me aside and was like “maybe you should get some help, sweetie” like stfu?? help? in this economy? i don’t think so, debra
How unaware are young people these days?
What you’ve described here is not ‘some old person not getting your sense of humour’ – it’s someone showing compassion to a stranger who, for all she knows, might be suicidal. That is never funny. It’s not dark or fatalistic humour, it’s just being snarky and rude to someone you don’t know.
This came up on my facebook feed and I am so excited to see how generation Xers and Baby Boomers will find a way to use this to shit on millenials anyways
nice okay we’re off to a good start
oh boy do i have something to tell you about millennials, working, and debt that’s gonna absolutely blow your socks off
banksy’s family found this article
Why old people so mad.
It’s funny because millennials can pretty much multitask like it’s second nature simply because it’s necessary to keep up with society, while baby boomers whine about reading subtitles and can’t seem to program anything more complicated than a VCR.
But sure, ok, the kids are lazy and have entitlement complexes
Older Generations: -Make comics about kids not knowing how books work-
Millenials: -Read more books than anyone else-
Older Generations: …no we changed our minds reading a lot is lazy and entitled now
“laughfulable”
*Yet another meme that tries to pit generations against one another via clickbait articles that have no real value whatsoever yet are guaranteed to offend someone and just watch them go off with simplistic reasoning over a non-issue*
This came up on my facebook feed and I am so excited to see how generation Xers and Baby Boomers will find a way to use this to shit on millenials anyways
nice okay we’re off to a good start
oh boy do i have something to tell you about millennials, working, and debt that’s gonna absolutely blow your socks off
banksy’s family found this article
Why old people so mad.
It’s funny because millennials can pretty much multitask like it’s second nature simply because it’s necessary to keep up with society, while baby boomers whine about reading subtitles and can’t seem to program anything more complicated than a VCR.
But sure, ok, the kids are lazy and have entitlement complexes
Older Generations: -Make comics about kids not knowing how books work-
Millenials: -Read more books than anyone else-
Older Generations: …no we changed our minds reading a lot is lazy and entitled now
okay but “laughfulable” is fucking gold.
I love how little it takes to inspire ageism in ‘Millenials.’
Really bothers me that women in their 40s and 50s are considered ‘old’ especially for action roles, when men in that age group (and much older) are considered in their ‘prime’ for it.
me: *waits patiently in a line in a busy establishment with limited employees who can only work so fast
every 40+ person in the vicinity: OHHHHHHH MY GOD THIS IS RI-DIC-U-LOUS why is the space time continuum not being broken to IMMEDIATELY ACCOMODATE me, The Most Important Person In The World,
When I was a wee thing, always had trouble telling how old people were.
So glad the new generation of wee things are better at it.
okay so an interesting thing about HP books vs movies is, mcgonagall’s supposedly born in 1935, which makes her only 56 when the series starts in 1991. harry’s first impression of her is that she’s a dark-haired witch: she hasn’t even started to go gray. considering that dumbledore isn’t considered particularly ancient in his 120′s, professor mcgonagall is really only just hitting middle age.
i definitely wonder what if general fandom perception of her character would focus more on her snark and fire and less on her stern reserve if she looked, in the movies, less like this
and more like this:
This could easily become about an older woman being judged for not looking ‘the part.’
Ageist, sexist. No one has a problem with older actors playing their age or younger (how many 40 year old Hamlets have there been), or even mating with much younger actresses – but an older actress playing her age or below? Tsk. Tsk.
Maybe it’s the way society views women and the roles we tend to thrust on them that is the problem, not Maggie Smith or the way she played the character (or the way the character was written and directed for film – by men, no less).