dadrielle:

dduane:

janenx01:

marthawells:

neonperri:

scribblemoose:

suzvoy:

amelialourdes:

klaineandbiscuits:

therearecertainshadesoflimelight:

tresa-cho:

krytella:

playerprophet:

“why are you in fandom when you’re 20+”

because we built this kingdom, motherfuckers, with the trekkie zine housewives before us. 

So here’s a story. One Fourth of July I was walking down the street and ran into a BNF who I’d met a couple of times at a slash-centric con. It turned out she lived in the same building as one of my boyfriends at the time, which was nearby, so she invited me to stop by. She had a small group of friends there, and one of them was an older woman with short, white hair.

“How old are you?” she asked.

I told her my age, probably about 28 at the time.

“I’ve been reading fanfiction longer than you’ve been alive,” she said.

Here’s another story. A couple of years ago at GeekGirlCon they had an “elders speak” panel. It included some women who had organized Star Trek cons in the 70s and 80s. So, first off, we really have always been here, this is a kind of geekiness that has always belonged to women. And they talked about women doing fandom back then secretly, about having to ask their husbands for money so they could travel to meet other fans. And two of the women on this panel were a couple who’d met each other in fandom.

One of the main reasons I go to slash cons is to connect with my foremothers in fandom. A lot of them aren’t on Tumblr or Twitter, some never even really got into LiveJournal. But they’re still here, doing their thing, having Fourth of July parties and emailing with their friends about fandom. Our elders are our history, our proof that we have always been here, that “media fandom” (fandom of Western TV and movies) is our house that we built with our hands.

respect your fandom mothers and grandmothers you ungrateful little buggers

It’s just hilarious to me that kids on here think that your interests fundamentally change as you get older. Your responsibilities change and, hopefully, you start looking at things and evaluating with more life experience….which, btw, is why a lot of the over 30 people here side eye the shit out of you guys many days. Because lived experience and life experience makes you see things in a different light…even fictional stuff. But you don’t just all of a sudden turn 30 and become this boring person who has no interest anymore in all the nerd things and fandom you liked at 15 or 20 or 25. You are the same person. You still need an outlet for your interests and you still crave those safe spaces to geek out the same way you do as a kid. We’ve always been here. Other women came before us.

FYI In 1993, the most popular Superman website was run by a woman named Zoomway. She was a life long Superman fan who started the site after Lois and Clark hit the air and she had thousands of women (many of whom were older btw) who followed her site. She wasn’t some 20 year old kid. She was a grown woman with life experience decades older than most of you who was writing feminist commentary about Superman and attending fan expos before any of you were born. I was only a kid when I first starting reading her writing and she was the one who introduced me to Superman fandom. She died of cancer a few years ago and her loss was deeply felt.

Women older than you built literally every iconic fandom you post about on here.

I need the community I’ve found within my fandom more now at 43 than I ever needed it at ages 18 or 20.
The more life wears on me, the more I live and love and lose, the more I treasure this space of flails and joy and analysis over episode ephemera, shared with a chorus of voices flung far and wide around the world, small sections of which have become friends, shining lights who I look for whenever I log on. 

I joined fandoms when I was 18 and I’ve never looked back.

Been in fandom 20+ years and counting ❤

(also, omg ZOOMWAY)

First fandom 40 years ago. Still here. Squee is for life, not just for kids.

Fandom for 23 years, and I still smile at the memory of Zoomway and her absolute awesomeness.

Stumbled on my first Star Wars fanzine about 36-37 years ago.

I wrote Star Trek fanfic for the first time in 1978.

We’ve been here all along and we’re not going anywhere.

I wrote my first Trek fanfic just after ST:TOS premiered. I didn’t even know that fanfic was what I was doing: didn’t even know the genre had a name. Later on, when I was in nursing school, I came to know the women in New York who were in the process of organizing those first Trek conventions of the 70s. I worked some of those cons and made friendships there that last to this day. The people who ran private presses dedicated to K/S slashzines and presided over dealers’ tables piled high with them are now pro writers and editors with worldwide reputations… and they are still fans.

Which is as it should be. Fandom isn’t something you need to grow out of to prove your adulthood (or justify it to others). And it’s their own insecurities that people trying to push that position on others are running from. So fuck that noise. Long-term fannish lives are the original Slow Burn story… and it’s one we’ll still be writing for years to come.

All of this is super true and important but I’m just aghast that I’ve been so disconnected from superman fandom the past few years that I missed that zoomway had died, oh my god, I’m upset.

Still side-eyeing the kids, but you’re good and don’t forget it. 

griesly:

cracktheglasses:

hils79:

fanfichasruinedmylife:

pagerunner-j:

demonicae:

tiger-in-the-flightdeck:

racethewind10:

emma-regina4ever:

beckpoppins:

adiwriting:

fandomlife-universe:

So I’m on AO3 and I see a lot of people who put “I do not own [insert fandom here]” before their story.

Like, I came on this site to read FAN fiction. This is a FAN fiction site. I’m fully aware that you don’t own the fandom or the characters. That’s why it’s called FAN FICTION.

Oh you youngins… How quickly they forget.

Back in the day, before fan fiction was mainstream and even encouraged by creators… This was your “please don’t sue me, I’m poor and just here for a good time” plea.

Cause guess what? That shit used to happen.

how soon they forget ann rice’s lawyers.

What happened with her lawyers.

History became legend. Legend became myth….  And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost.

I worked with one of the women that got contacted by Rice’s lawyers. Scared the hell out of her and she never touched fandom again.
The first time I saw a commission post on tumblr for fanart, I was shocked.

One of the reasons I fell out of love with her writing was her treatment of the fans… (that and the opening chapter of Lasher gave me such heebie-jeebies with the whole underage sex thing I felt unclean just reading it.)

I have zero problem with fanart/fic so long as the creators aren’t making money off of it. It is someone else’s intellectual property and people who create fan related works need to respect that (and a solid 98% of them do.)

The remaining 2% are either easily swayed by being gently prompted to not cash in on someone else’s IP. Or they DGAF… and they are the ones who will eventually land themselves in hot water. Either way: this isn’t much of an excuse to persecute your entire fanbase.

But Anne Rice went off the deep end with this stuff by actively attacking people who were expressing their love for her work and were not profiteering from it.

The Vampire Chronicles was a dangerous fandom to be in back in the day. Most of the works I read/saw were hidden away in the dark recesses of the internet and covered by disclaimers (a lot of them reading like thoroughly researched legal documents.)

And woe betide anyone who was into shipping anyone with ANYONE in that fandom. You were most at risk, it seemed, if your vision of the characters deviated from the creators ‘original intentions.’ (Hypocritical of a woman who made most of her living writing erotica.)

Imagine getting sued over a headcanon…

Put simply: we all lived in fear of her team of highly paid lawyers descending from the heavens and taking us to court over a slashfic less than 500 words long.

all

of

this

Reblogging because I can’t believe there are people out there who don’t know the story behind fan fiction disclaimers. 

Yep I used to have disclaimers on all my Buffy fic back in the day. The Buffy creators were mostly pretty chill about fandom but it’s not like it is now. You did NOT talk about fandom with anyone except other fandom people and bringing it up at cons was a massive no no because of stuff like this.

I think Supernatural (and Misha Collins specifically) was when that wall between fandom and creators started to break down. It’s a relatively new thing.

I remember going to a Merlin panel down in London and a girl sitting next to me asked the cast about slash and I thought she was going to get kicked out!

Fandom history is important.

Oh, this brings back some not so-awesome ‘90s fandom memories! 

Oh man, let me tell you about the X-Files fandom. Lawyers for FOX sued, threatened, and generally terrified the owners of fan websites on a regular basis. God help you if you wrote or created original art set in their (expansive) universe or worse – dared to write about their characters. Even people who weren’t creating fanworks, just hosting Geocities pages about how much people liked the show would be sent C&D orders or actually fined. When I was first discovering the concept, the first rule of fandom was you do not talk about fandom because the consequences could be devastating.

It was such a strange and uncomfortable experience for me when fans in LOTR and Potter fandoms suddenly started shoving their work in people’s faces speaking publicly about fandom and wanting to engage in dialogue with the creators and actors of the Thing they were into. Fan stuff was supposed to stay online, in archives and list-serves and zines we passed around because it just wasn’t cool to talk about it and it could get you in a boatload of trouble. The freedom we have to create and gather together in a shared space, or actually be acknowledged in any way by people outside the fandom was inconceivable to my fannish, teenaged self. I want fans these days to understand how amazing modern fandom really is, cherish the community, and appreciate what it took to get us here. 

This is why the Xena folks were awesome – they really helped pave the way for fandom as it is enjoyed today.  They not only didn’t sue or mess with people for creating fan fiction and fan art – they engaged with those fans online and eventually hired a popular fan fiction writer (Melissa Good) to write a couple of episodes in the last season.  They saw their fans as The Greater Good and stood by them.  All show runners today could take a lesson from their playbook.

i hate seeing people say she doesnt care when shes always nothing but sweet and always says positive things, and her friends (mercedes) says positive things to other people about us, and the fact that she ALWAYS takes pics or gives attention to everyone there when she doesnt have to at all is so<3333 i love that smol noodle😫

amayazari:

tbt those times alycia literally broke away from her own security team to take pictures with fans.

tbt those times alycia has to be pulled away from groups of people because her team needs her to be somewhere else despite her willingness and desire to get to everybody

tbt alycia held up traffic just to sign autographs

tbt alycia saying things like “i’m so glad you found me!” and “you’re so cute you’re shaking!” to people

tbt alycia being super down to earth and introducing herself to fans like it’s not a momentous occasion for them and instead just a casual encounter to ease nerves

honestly alycia has never been anything but a fuckin delight to everyone that’s met her but because she’s not really on social media and cares about her privacy she apparently hates her fans,,,

okay.

I’ve read some rather toxic, gossip-y things where someone tries to insinuate that they *know* how this young actress feels, what she thinks and what she believes without the benefit of any real knowledge of her; there seems to be an agenda with comparing her to how Eliza Taylor behaves (re: Clexa) which is hardly a fair-minded thing to do (since such comparisons inevitably try to make one person look better than the other, and all based on specious evidence and one-sided commentary).   I’ve also read some rather unsettling, threatening-type of posts that all but demand her to be more ‘involved’ (ie: use social media) or risk her entire career.  The absurdity of it is mind-boggling.  

She has said that she prefers to let her work speak for her; as someone who is also very shy of the public and social media, as someone who has been stalked before (by a so-called ‘friend’ no less), I can absolutely relate.  We can only be fans of what they do – being a fan of the ‘person’ is a far more complicated thing since the real person is one you will likely never get to know, only a version they present to you (ie: through social media), and that version will likely be one that tries to impress you in some fashion.  I admire that she doesn’t ‘play a part’ to her audience that way.  I also understand that as we are in the post-Facebook ‘privacy is dead’ age, more young people have a ‘natural’ expectation of communication through social media and it might be hard for some to understand why using it just isn’t for everyone.  Why privacy and respect for others is so important.  

I wouldn’t want to be a young actress today for anything.  

alycidebnam:

i’M DEAD, BYE, DECEASED

I bloody swear the WE people have been paying such close attention to the Clexa fandom…they’re giving their fans the one thing Clexa fans wanted and never got: a photo shoot.  

I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t have some kind of fandom bible laying around with notes on ‘what to do/what not to do.’

Right. Seeing too much of this again.  

Why do you all think ADC doesn’t like her fans or doesn’t want them?  Where are you getting this from?

– Her character was killed off and the fury over that is still resonating – she clearly doesn’t want to step on anyone’s toes over it or start another shit storm. She’s cautious with what she says.  She also knows it is not about her – but the character, about what happened and she’s respectful of fan’s voices.  

– She hasn’t played the character in months and has not been asked back for s4.  They don’t want her and she’s on another show that she is contractually obligated to promote. She’s a young actress starting her career.  She isn’t going to piss off her current bosses over a show she is no longer connected with.  

– She carried around the Clexa fan art book today during promotion for her own show and, according to fans, kept her security at bay so she could meet her fans and get photos/autos.  

– She isn’t Eliza Taylor and she isn’t going to go around talking up Clexa while promoting her own show.  No one asks her about it while promoting her show.  Eliza talking up Clexa has been a clever way to steer the narrative of her show so that no one winds up getting hurt again. She isn’t just going on about Clexa because she’s a fan.  There’s some political skill to it.  It’s had it’s effect: even Rothenberg called Clexa ‘soulmates’ at SDCC and it looks unlikely that Clarke will have any love interests this year.  Comparing the two actors who are in two completely different situations isn’t really fair.

– Sometimes it’s hard to know what to say.  She’s not savvy with the social media.  She’s been the target of plenty of hate and strangeness and privacy invasion.  She protects herself and who can blame her?  

Stop imagining the worst about them.  They’re just people trying to do their jobs in a demanding climate where ten million things are coming at them at once.  It isn’t something personal against the audience.  Time bears this out.  Wait ten years and see what they’re like then. 

PS: maybe consider that disparaging someone over how you want them to behave (especially by comparing them to someone you favour) isn’t much different than those who police young women’s behaviour in general.  

‘Fan Entitlement’

Oh, Guardian. No. Not really, no. 

‘Fans’ love and support the things/people they are fans of, they share the positives and call out the problematic (sometimes they call it out REAL HARD – see ‘Clexa’): don’t compare real fans to racist, misogynist, ego-driven bottom feeders who seek to destroy, unsettle, negate and pollute.  There is a vast difference.